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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2014 16:29:13 GMT
just where are we in the playing budget league table,,,??
based on information online ,signings clubs have already made and taking into account nick higgs and darrell clarkes comments on the subject ive come up with rough league table and wonder how others and maybe better informed gasheads view this subject?
1 forest green
2 eastleigh
3 grimsby
4 gateshead
5 bristol rovers
6 barnet
7 wrexham
8 torquay
9 kidderminster
10 halifax
11 aldershot
12 lincoln
13 chester
14 southport
15 telford
16 woking
17 dartford
18 alfreton
19 braintree
20 welling
21 altrincham
22 nuneaton
23 macclesfield
24 dover
playing budgets range from £1,000,000+ to less than £250,000,,,,please understand this is pretty rough estimating
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2014 16:34:54 GMT
Last season the Non-League Paper predicted the budget table: THE SKRILL PREMIER BUDGET TABLE: £1m-plus Forest Green, Luton Town £750k-£1m None £500k-£750k Barnet, Wrexham, Grimsby Town, Kidderminster, Cambridge United, Gateshead £250k-£500k Aldershot, Lincoln City, Hereford, Salisbury, Dartford, Chester, Woking, FC Halifax, Southport Below £250k Macclesfield, Tamworth, Alfreton, Braintree, Nuneaton, Welling, Hyde www.thenonleaguefootballpaper.com/features/columnists/7369/so-who-reigns-in-big-money-league/#sthash.Kp8aD1TO.dpufThis season we SHOULD be top of the 'budget league', but i see no real evidence of that so far. |
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Post by Centenary Gas on Jun 24, 2014 16:50:11 GMT
I can imagine the players remaining from last season are on quite a few quid, especially Mildy and Smith.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2014 16:59:40 GMT
I can imagine the players remaining from last season are on quite a few quid, especially Mildy and Smith. Mildy was looking to move back to the south west (so limited options) and hardly played for about 2 years before joining, so I doubt he was in a position to hold the club to ransom, not that that matters here though. Smithy joined us from part-time Ballymena Utd in Northern Ire so I can't imagine he was on massive money. Although he has now been offered better terms to increase his contract for another year. |
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Post by GasHeadGaz on Jun 24, 2014 17:02:52 GMT
Arent Eastleigh backed by a mega-rich owner? Apparently they are going to be the Crawley Town.
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Post by Centenary Gas on Jun 24, 2014 17:21:37 GMT
I can imagine the players remaining from last season are on quite a few quid, especially Mildy and Smith. Mildy was looking to move back to the south west (so limited options) and hardly played for about 2 years before joining, so I doubt he was in a position to hold the club to ransom, not that that matters here though. Smithy joined us from part-time Ballymena Utd in Northern Ire so I can't imagine he was on massive money. Although he has now been offered better terms to increase his contract for another year. Didn't Smith sign a new contract a while back? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2014 17:36:20 GMT
Arent Eastleigh backed by a mega-rich owner? Apparently they are going to be the Crawley Town. I understand Higgs is wealthier. Apparently the richest chairman in the Conference is Dale Vince at Forest Green, but he has already said he is cutting back on his investment at the club this season. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2014 17:37:00 GMT
Mildy was looking to move back to the south west (so limited options) and hardly played for about 2 years before joining, so I doubt he was in a position to hold the club to ransom, not that that matters here though. Smithy joined us from part-time Ballymena Utd in Northern Ire so I can't imagine he was on massive money. Although he has now been offered better terms to increase his contract for another year. Didn't Smith sign a new contract a while back? Possibly, not sure. |
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Post by Peter Parker on Jun 24, 2014 17:40:49 GMT
Smith signed a two year deal last summer and has been offered an extension this summer
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Post by lincolnfan on Jun 24, 2014 17:42:05 GMT
Vince is cutting the size of his squad but is still paying considerable money, probably the best by far in the division, for the reduced number of players they will have in their operational squad. This is not surprising as, at one point last season, they had 14 forwards signed and four goalkeepers. He may therefore be overall reducing the budget but only because they are reducing the number of players. My bet is that they can still outbid anyone in the Conference should they wish to do so.
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Post by onedaytheuwe on Jun 24, 2014 19:29:50 GMT
If the FFP rules apply to the non league then we will be GIANTS ( broadly speaking ). However: I understand the rules are a bit more relaxed with some conditions. So based on average crowds of over 6500 and season tickets around 3500. Also income from add on transfer fees our accounts for year ending 2014 would be twice as big as any other club if not more. The narrowing down of the 65% rule to 55% turnover would put us in a favourable place for the first season. Our nearest rivals would be Luton Town and Cambridge United who average 7000 plus and 3000 plus respectfully. On paper Grimsby Town who average just over 3500 and have healthy ST sales : they would be our number 2 contender. After that we drop right down to average crowds of under 3000 and with Chester 5th with 2300 it puts things into context. If Forest Green Rovers submitted to the FFP rules with crowds of 1000 and modest turn over . They would have a small playing budget...
However: given the FFP rules do-not apply it is a lottery to know the actual figure rich people put in. Also we may have by far the biggest turn over on paper but are we in big debt ? Do we need to reduce our budget to meet debt repayments ?. On paper Pompey And Plymouth would have massive turn overs but this is meaningless if they owe millions.
So on one hand we have a big turn over but we also have big debts. To answer the question
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Post by onedaytheuwe on Jun 24, 2014 19:37:37 GMT
I would say our playing budget would be in the top 3 if not 2 . There may be some rich persons who would put in £1 million plus budget to a team averaging 1500 but i:m still not convinced about that. If you asked every other club they would tell you WE would have the biggest budget by miles...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2014 19:43:02 GMT
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Post by Westcountry Gas on Jun 24, 2014 19:51:19 GMT
I think the existing squad still here from last season are taking up a massive amount of the budget even with there relegation pay cuts. DC might only be left with something like approx £400k to spread on 8-9 new players wages, meaning he can only offer players £500-£750 per week plus bonuses. Could have really done with shipping out another big earner.
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Post by onedaytheuwe on Jun 24, 2014 19:57:02 GMT
A mixed bag then !. On one hand we are millions in DEBT and need to start readdressing that. ON the other hand an income of £4 million plus is very good for a poor football club. I believe Portsmouth and Plymouth will bounce back given their fanbase. Ours is a big more complex. What is sure is the fan base is very good if the club does well.
The question is : Will the club set a very low budget and kick around for 5 years in non leauge football and pay off debts. Or take a risk and set the best budget hoping a quick return. You could count on one hand clubs with our income playing against clubs with 1000 gates. I:m not suggesting we are a Glasgow Rangers but the potential is there if we do well...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2014 20:00:50 GMT
depressing article,also endless clubs who have dropped out the league have been engulfed in financial problems with chester telford and aldershot reforming with slightly different names. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2014 20:03:09 GMT
I think the existing squad still here from last season are taking up a massive amount of the budget even with there relegation pay cuts. DC might only be left with something like approx £400k to spread on 8-9 new players wages, meaning he can only offer players £500-£750 per week plus bonuses. Could have really done with shipping out another big earner. it almost feels like dc is waiting on shipping at least 1 more player out,,parkes,brunt or harold perhaps? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2014 20:06:02 GMT
I think the existing squad still here from last season are taking up a massive amount of the budget even with there relegation pay cuts. DC might only be left with something like approx £400k to spread on 8-9 new players wages, meaning he can only offer players £500-£750 per week plus bonuses. Could have really done with shipping out another big earner. I received this info from someone that knows non-league quite well:
Spalding who just got promoted from the UCL and on crowds of 100+ pay some of the players as much as £350+ (Jones from G Trinity for example)
Forget £1000 a week for some in the conference prem, many players in conf North and South would be getting that and loads would be on £6/£700 a week.
Stefan Moore was mentioned who at St Neots when previously enjoying a **** ***** with their sugar daddy paid a £15K transfer fee for him and allegedly rewarded him with a weekly wage of £900/1000 a week. It was mentioned recently though that the offer he was given by Brackley mid way through last season was his best ever outside his league career, and they have several players on well over £500 a week on crowds of about 250/350.
Harrogate too, again with a sugar daddy pay obscene wages in relation to the crowds they attract. Walshaw a very decent player is reported to be getting a huge increase on his already decent wages at Altrincham.
Some of the Worksop players in the NPL are, or were beefore the money man withdrew his funding a couple of weeks ago being paid £500, it is utter madness.
Chesham were allegedly paying £400+ a week for Dillon and Roberts, Hemel were paying more than that Mackie, the NL world has gone mad. Dunstable were gave out two year contracts for ex conf players in the Calor central on crowds of less than 150 and the list goes on.
Half way through the season, and only because he knew the manager well Rik left Stamford to go to Arlsey who were paying him nearly £400 a week, after a month where he didn't start, he simply said sod this, I wont to play, sod the money and he went back to Stamford for half that amount, but his attitude towards money is the exception.
Eastleigh one of your biggest rivals this year are allegedly now offering two year deals to some recruits approaching the £2500 a week, how the f*** is that sustainable. If their backer disappears, the players either unilaterally agree to terminate their contracts or the club will face administration and lets not mention Forest Green and especially Luton whose wages bill must be quite scary though ast least with the latter they could justify it
Whilst four figure wages aren't the norm in the top end of the conf prem it is quite common place.
Tamworth, who were really poor gave a £400 a week contract to a 18,19 year old centre half who failed at Corby and Boston then never played him. Wrexham paid we are told about a £6000 transfer fee for Durell from Hednesford and an accompanying wage of about £800 a week then (tho I guess he could be injured never played him) Halifax offered two five figure transfer requests for Ricky before the deadline with about eight games left in the season.....why would you do that.
Desperation, madness or the norm?
Ferriby in the conf North, though again with great backing from former Hull Directors are no more than a village team though hospitable, its horrible place to visit, just not a football club in my eyes average crowd probably less than 300 yet pay many of their many of their players in excess of £600, how is that possible?
We cant all be models of fiscal propriety like Maidstone or FC United, but hey conference glory will not come cheaply Wes.
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Post by ricardo on Jun 24, 2014 20:26:15 GMT
I work in finance and look at accounts on a regular basis, the post blew that out of proportion, material uncertainty applies to any business depending on money from the owner(s) to make ends meet. You find that comment within the accounts of many professional football clubs. It translates to in the absence more bailouts from the bod we are screwed, which has been the case as long as I can remember. Please don't take my post to mean I think this is the way to run a football club though. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2014 20:29:36 GMT
I work in finance and look at accounts on a regular basis, the post blew that out of proportion, material uncertainty applies to any business depending on money from the owner(s) to make ends meet. You find that comment within the accounts of many professional football clubs. It translates to in the absence more bailouts from the bod we are screwed, which has been the case as long as I can remember. Please don't take my post to mean I think this is the way to run a football club though.Relegation to the conference has to now be taken into consideration too. Whatever, it doesn't look good. |
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