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Post by stevek192 on Sept 7, 2014 9:30:10 GMT
Our Board have admitted that they are not football men and should not be expected to make footballing decisions on the team however IMO they should therefore ensure they have a Manager who knows football inside out and who is willing to TELL them rather than listen to them. They need to have an EXPERIENCED Manager because they don't have the football knowhow. I have little doubt that they didn't fancy having Martin Allen because he wouldn't let them waltz through unscathed and would tell THEM like it is and not just tell us like it is. He is the very type of Manager we SHOULD be appointing. I have never seen a Martin Allen team that isn't organised,strong and up for battle and I know you never will because he is that type of bloke. I hate Steve Evans of Rotherham but he is a bloody good Team Builder. It is about time we had a Mr Nasty instead of Mr Nice because that sums up our performances over the last 7 seasons.
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Post by fatherjackhackett on Sept 7, 2014 9:35:26 GMT
The biggest problem is that, in Twatola, we have a CEO who is patently not a footballing man.
IMHO Replacing Tony the Till is far more important to the mid to long term future, if not survival, of BRFC, than getting the 9th manager in four years in.
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Post by The Man from Del Monte on Sept 7, 2014 9:45:07 GMT
We should be looking at how clubs are run, not at how managers do things. It is a recipe for disaster to say that so and so will come into our club and will do this and say that.
Let's get one thing straight, there is no set formula for success in football. You only have to look around the leagues to see that this is the case. Martin Allen has of course failed at other clubs that he has been at. He has also been successful. There are no guarantees that a manager like Allen would come here and be a success. It's that roll of the dice being played again and it scares me to bits.
We need to get our house in order first and foremost or nothing will change.
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Post by darkbluegas on Sept 7, 2014 9:47:39 GMT
money-pile-smiley-emoticonThey're not football men? Then why buy a FOOTBALL CLUB!!!!!!
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Post by 9b1gas on Sept 7, 2014 9:52:57 GMT
Most chairmen are not footballing men, but they do know how to run a business, Higgs seems to struggle with that.
Did he earn is money at Cowlin or did he inherit and then sell the company?
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Post by darkbluegas on Sept 7, 2014 10:00:17 GMT
FFS......not football men, if I bought a chip shop I'd get learning about potatoes pretty bloody quick......SHAMBLES
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2014 10:06:52 GMT
Higgs appointed a MR Nasty and shafted him. We have had `experienced` managers and they have shafted Higgs. Next answer to our predicament please. It wouldnt have been so hard 4/5 years ago to put right any mistakes with the money being thrown around then but now? with no money?
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Post by frenchgashead on Sept 7, 2014 10:39:01 GMT
money-pile-smiley-emoticonThey're not football men? Then why buy a FOOTBALL CLUB!!!!!! Because they think they can make money out of the Mem/UWE - they are property speculators.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2014 11:26:49 GMT
Most chairmen are not footballing men, but they do know how to run a business, Higgs seems to struggle with that. Did he earn is money at Cowlin or did he inherit and then sell the company? Shhhh! You aren't supposed to ask akward questions like did Higgs build Cowlin or was he just born into the right family.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 7, 2014 16:13:03 GMT
Our Board have admitted that they are not football men and should not be expected to make footballing decisions on the team however IMO they should therefore ensure they have a Manager who knows football inside out and who is willing to TELL them rather than listen to them. They need to have an EXPERIENCED Manager because they don't have the football knowhow. I have little doubt that they didn't fancy having Martin Allen because he wouldn't let them waltz through unscathed and would tell THEM like it is and not just tell us like it is. He is the very type of Manager we SHOULD be appointing. I have never seen a Martin Allen team that isn't organised,strong and up for battle and I know you never will because he is that type of bloke. I hate Steve Evans of Rotherham but he is a bloody good Team Builder. It is about time we had a Mr Nasty instead of Mr Nice because that sums up our performances over the last 7 seasons. I totally agree with you Steve but do you see our board appointing ANY manager that would 1) Stand up to them and 2) would be able to put his points across on footballing matters and have that acted upon ? I personally don't think Nick Higgs, in particular, tolerates anyone who is not one of his Acolytes and who would rail against him. I think that Nick Higgs takes many things very personally when he should be able to work with other people and their differing ideas, for the betterment of BRFC. Right now I think Nick firmly believes he is BRFC. Hell, I would love to be proved wrong but everything I have seen and heard leads me to believe that Higgs took on much more than he can handle but is still unable or unwilling to properly delegate. I think Nick is too stubborn and set in his ways to make such an appointment and be comfortable to properly back them up. I can't see any Martin Allen or Steve Evans type character being appointed under his stewardship. Out of interest, I know you won't knock our board but do you honestly believe they would make such a bold move ? I don't think they are decisive enough nor do they have the balls to do it.
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Post by brizzle on Sept 7, 2014 16:26:01 GMT
They are masters of the understatement, I see.
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Post by stevek192 on Sept 7, 2014 16:36:17 GMT
KP, I don't to be honest which is why Martin Allen didn't receive the decency of a reply when he applied for the job. I just watch now and dismay at the total lack of organisation in the side which ends up worse than any Sunday morning team I have played for. That is how bad it has got in my eyes.
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Post by Gashead on Sept 7, 2014 16:56:43 GMT
KP, I don't to be honest which is why Martin Allen didn't receive the decency of a reply when he applied for the job. I just watch now and dismay at the total lack of organisation in the side which ends up worse than any Sunday morning team I have played for. That is how bad it has got in my eyes. That never happened, Allen's dates of employment and our dates of sacking/appointing managers just don't add up I'm afraid.
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 7, 2014 17:17:27 GMT
MA is seen as trouble by the BoD, after all Gillingham were happy to get shot asap. If he his such a great manager then surely he'd be doing better than managing Barnet, like GJ at Yeovil he seems to have found the perfect club.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 7, 2014 17:21:56 GMT
KP, I don't to be honest which is why Martin Allen didn't receive the decency of a reply when he applied for the job. I just watch now and dismay at the total lack of organisation in the side which ends up worse than any Sunday morning team I have played for. That is how bad it has got in my eyes. When I hear you say that then it deeply concerns me as, quite apart from any other stuff we have talked of, I know you are not just good but you have a very good grasp of footballing matters. I never thought it coukd get worse than the Friday night and very dour 0-0 draw V Southend, last season. I had genuinely hoped DC would come out fighting and especially how he talked on radio Bristol. He said everything that we as fans want to hear. I know guys who went a bought ST's the next morning, after that radio performance. Do we have a manager who just cannot produce or is he being so constrained by the board and finances , that it is them stopping him ? My own view is the former. I think he has been in the right place when wrong things have happened. I think he blagged the job. I would love to be proved wrong but he looks and talks like an amateur. Regardless of our opinions on the players he has brought in, on paper each had their merits albeit in a lower end product. An efficient man manager and mentor would train and give them belief. I see a team bereft of belief and the mental capacity to perform to the best of their ability. Interesting enough, I spent part of the afternoon with Glen Cattley yesterday. He did actually come into our club last season but only for one session with no follow up. His views paint a very poor mindset within the club. We need winners or at least people with the mindset of wanting to win and to maintain a winning and positive mindset for personal reasons which are conducive to a team mindset of winning. We really aren't even online when it comes to the nurturing of mental side of athletes. Anyway, just a side thought mate. Hope you are well buddy PS Glen Cattley was the former WBC super middleweight champion of the world and now runs his own company which works on the mental side of sports in particular and has many high end clients all over the works. He is a clinical psychologist with a speciality in sportsmen and women for those that have not heard of him. He is a Bristol born boy who just also happens to be Rovers.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2014 17:39:22 GMT
MA is seen as trouble by the BoD, after all Gillingham were happy to get shot asap. If he his such a great manager then surely he'd be doing better than managing Barnet, like GJ at Yeovil he seems to have found the perfect club. Sent from my GT-I9505 using Tapatalk Nobody said that Martin Allen was going to arrive and spend the rest of his career here. Nobody said that he was a future Premiership manager in the making. But his record at this level is second to none, and he would have explained some basic facts of life to Higgs and Watola. And I'll promise you this, we wouldn't have had the 'no show' witnessed yesterday. His team went 1-0 down yesterday to a part time club, they went on to win 2-1, Rovers went 1-0 down, pulled faces, sulked, blamed the ref and capitulated.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2014 17:52:14 GMT
Glenn Catley was the former WBC super middleweight champion of the world and now runs his own company which works on the mental side of sports in particular and has many high end clients all over the works. He is a clinical psychologist with a speciality in sportsmen and women for those that have not heard of him. He is a Bristol born boy who just also happens to be Rovers. Couldn't agree more. If anyone doubts how important the mental side of the equation is then watch Nigel Benn Vs Gerald McLellan. Benn is literally punched out of the ring in the first minute, then he's floored again around the 8th round, did he care? Not one bit, he got back up and marched forward again. He said afterwards that he was ready to go with McLellan, all the way. He had spent some time with Paul McKenna leading up to the fight and walked into the ring with defeat simply not being an option. Sadly that fight had a tragic outcome, but my point is that Benn had his preperation and mental state of mind spot on, he gave the gutsiest performance you will ever see. How much mental preperation do you suppose Rovers players are subjected to?
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 7, 2014 18:58:47 GMT
Glenn Catley was the former WBC super middleweight champion of the world and now runs his own company which works on the mental side of sports in particular and has many high end clients all over the works. He is a clinical psychologist with a speciality in sportsmen and women for those that have not heard of him. He is a Bristol born boy who just also happens to be Rovers. Couldn't agree more. If anyone doubts how important the mental side of the equation is then watch Nigel Benn Vs Gerald McLellan. Benn is literally punched out of the ring in the first minute, then he's floored again around the 8th round, did he care? Not one bit, he got back up and marched forward again. He said afterwards that he was ready to go with McLellan, all the way. He had spent some time with Paul McKenna leading up to the fight and walked into the ring with defeat simply not being an option. Sadly that fight had a tragic outcome, but my point is that Benn had his preperation and mental state of mind spot on, he gave the gutsiest performance you will ever see. How much mental preperation do you suppose Rovers players are subjected to? Thank you for the response. I am very interested in behaviourism and in how people combat the negativity in their lives. I believe our club, including the chair & board, could benefit greatly from some time with various consultants. It's whether they would be willing to challenge life held beliefs that have become barriers. This is not some kind of Witch craft but a real set of tools to use when necessary.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2014 20:16:52 GMT
Couldn't agree more. If anyone doubts how important the mental side of the equation is then watch Nigel Benn Vs Gerald McLellan. Benn is literally punched out of the ring in the first minute, then he's floored again around the 8th round, did he care? Not one bit, he got back up and marched forward again. He said afterwards that he was ready to go with McLellan, all the way. He had spent some time with Paul McKenna leading up to the fight and walked into the ring with defeat simply not being an option. Sadly that fight had a tragic outcome, but my point is that Benn had his preperation and mental state of mind spot on, he gave the gutsiest performance you will ever see. How much mental preperation do you suppose Rovers players are subjected to? Thank you for the response. I am very interested in behaviourism and in how people combat the negativity in their lives. I believe our club, including the chair & board, could benefit greatly from some time with various consultants. It's whether they would be willing to challenge life held beliefs that have become barriers. This is not some kind of Witch craft but a real set of tools to use when necessary. Maybe this spills over into 'real life', I have no idea. Mike Tyson was a force of nature until Don King arrived on the scene. He was out running at 5am, then to the gym, rest, ring work, gym again, and so it went on. At that time there was nobody that stood a chance of beating him. The great man, Cus D'Amato convinced Mike that he had to believe that his next opponant was preparing that way. One look at Tony Tubbs tells you that wasn't always the case, but D'Amato had found the button to push that got Mike into the ring in top physical and mental shape. Look at Lewis Hamilton today, everything that could go wrong this season has gone wrong, he went from pole position to 4th at the first corner, at that point the championship was over. How did he respond? The result of the race tells you all you need to know. Now look at Rovers, go a goal down to a pub team and heads drop. The man who is supposed to galvanise them blames the referee, then steams into his players in a live radio interview. I'm sure that will help! This board can't/won't accept that they need help, that's because they convince themselves that everything that goes wrong is either someone else's fault, or just rotton luck. It's sad in all honestly, the supporters want the same thing as the BoD, a team and a club to be proud of, but they seem determined to refuse to help themselves.
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Post by LPGas on Sept 7, 2014 20:29:55 GMT
I wonder what lennie Lawrence did?
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