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Post by ltdgas on Apr 12, 2024 7:26:19 GMT
I’m starting to feel sorry for him , seems decent bloke but no matter what he does it has no impact act on polls , I’d of called a election by now , surely he realises what ever he does is still going to end up a loss , I guess the longer as prime minister the better his cv , or does he think the reform vote will return to tories , can’t see it , I won’t , I guess as a multi millionaire it’s all pretty irrelevant anyway , retire to states .
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Post by Nobbygas on Apr 12, 2024 7:35:33 GMT
He is just hoping for some sort of miracle to happen, but it won't. I have never voted for anyone other than a Tory but I will not vote for this current fake version of the Tory party. I look at the amount of tax I pay every month and I still can't believe it.
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Post by trymer on Apr 12, 2024 8:32:52 GMT
I agree with Nobby,Sunak hanging on as long as he can hoping that things get better before calling an election.
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Post by eppinggas on Apr 12, 2024 13:56:18 GMT
Hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way...
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Post by bluetornados on Apr 22, 2024 15:15:22 GMT
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Post by baselswh on Apr 22, 2024 15:21:41 GMT
Does anyone believe the PM? More determined words,but nothing will be done.
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Post by ltdgas on Apr 22, 2024 18:21:05 GMT
And yet the tories are giving out more work visas than ever, this was one of the reasons for brexit , to stop the cheap Labour from the eu suppressing wages , so what do the tories , flood the country with Indians . One of the companies I Work for have given there day shift workers a 50 pph pay rise , night 10 p , and weekends / b/ h nothing , any new employee is now on a ad- hoc basis , yet the Indians are flooding into those jobs , cancel 1/2 shifts at short notice & there there the next day , we’re back to how do the people from this country , mortgage / kids live Yes it’s wonderful for the bosses , probably the tories , and all the lefties who love unlimited migration , but for the normal bloke on the street , I don’t think so . Thank god my house is paid for / kid grown up
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Post by ltdgas on Apr 22, 2024 18:32:42 GMT
Starmer on about foreigners owning football clubs , patriotism, I don’t know who’s worse sunak or starmer , both a bloody joke Is this seriously the best we can do , bloody hopeless
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Post by trymer on Apr 22, 2024 19:22:13 GMT
Starmer on about foreigners owning football clubs , patriotism, I don’t know who’s worse sunak or starmer , both a bloody joke Is this seriously the best we can do , bloody hopeless I was thinking that today. On the radio yesterday they were talking about a petition to get 'none of the above' put on ballot papers......the politicians dont want that as they would be totally discredited.
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Post by baselswh on May 5, 2024 15:23:24 GMT
Apparently Sunak did'nt even vote in the London Mayor election.
Did'nt vote.
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Post by oldie on May 5, 2024 17:06:31 GMT
Apparently Sunak did'nt even vote in the London Mayor election. Did'nt vote. Where is declared residence for voter registration?
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Post by baselswh on May 5, 2024 19:01:17 GMT
Apparently Sunak did'nt even vote in the London Mayor election. Did'nt vote. Where is declared residence for voter registration? I heard he could vote in the two places he lives,London being one of them. Edit. He voted by post for his North Yorkshire home. He was also entitled to vote in the London Mayor election. He did'nt for some reason. Looks pretty bad.
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Post by lostinspace on May 6, 2024 17:31:41 GMT
listening to a political journalist on an independent [more likely sky news report] never caught her name] radio station ,and she summarised that following the latest council results, her vision of the outcome of the general election was that Labour would win BUT with not a big enough majority to form a government on their own , interesting view on it
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Post by eppinggas on May 7, 2024 9:07:23 GMT
listening to a political journalist on an independent [more likely sky news report] never caught her name] radio station ,and she summarised that following the latest council results, her vision of the outcome of the general election was that Labour would win BUT with not a big enough majority to form a government on their own , interesting view on it The bookies are saying it's a nailed on Labour Majority Government (the odds reflecting people putting money where their mouth is). The above comment is coming from the left. It is an attempt to rally support for Labour and to guard against complacency. It's a nightmare for the Tories with Labour untouchable (seemingly without any actual policies) and comfortably ahead, and Reform eating away at the Conservative right wing vote on a daily basis. I feel a bit sorry for Sunak. He's a very competent bean counter, but he is not a politician. He is however human. Sir Keir Starmer is actually made of wood.
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Post by Nobbygas on May 7, 2024 9:44:55 GMT
listening to a political journalist on an independent [more likely sky news report] never caught her name] radio station ,and she summarised that following the latest council results, her vision of the outcome of the general election was that Labour would win BUT with not a big enough majority to form a government on their own , interesting view on it The bookies are saying it's a nailed on Labour Majority Government (the odds reflecting people putting money where their mouth is). The above comment is coming from the left. It is an attempt to rally support for Labour and to guard against complacency. It's a nightmare for the Tories with Labour untouchable (seemingly without any actual policies) and comfortably ahead, and Reform eating away at the Conservative right wing vote on a daily basis. I feel a bit sorry for Sunak. He's a very competent bean counter, but he is not a politician. He is however human. Sir Keir Starmer is actually made of wood. Yep, my gut feeling, after talking to friends etc who would normally vote Tory, is that they are facing a wipe-out. I think the main thing to take from the next election will be the very low turnout. Labour don't seem to be picking up votes, but as in the recent by-elections, the Tory voters are just staying at home. Blackpool was a classic example. A 26% swing to Labour apparently, yet Labour actually got fewer votes than at the last GE!
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Post by oldie on May 7, 2024 9:50:55 GMT
The bookies are saying it's a nailed on Labour Majority Government (the odds reflecting people putting money where their mouth is). The above comment is coming from the left. It is an attempt to rally support for Labour and to guard against complacency. It's a nightmare for the Tories with Labour untouchable (seemingly without any actual policies) and comfortably ahead, and Reform eating away at the Conservative right wing vote on a daily basis. I feel a bit sorry for Sunak. He's a very competent bean counter, but he is not a politician. He is however human. Sir Keir Starmer is actually made of wood. Yep, my gut feeling, after talking to friends etc who would normally vote Tory, is that they are facing a wipe-out. I think the main thing to take from the next election will be the very low turnout. Labour don't seem to be picking up votes, but as in the recent by-elections, the Tory voters are just staying at home. Blackpool was a classic example. A 26% swing to Labour apparently, yet Labour actually got fewer votes than at the last GE! So 100% of all Labour voters turned out but Tory voters didn't. Unlikely I would say.
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Post by Nobbygas on May 7, 2024 9:52:24 GMT
Yep, my gut feeling, after talking to friends etc who would normally vote Tory, is that they are facing a wipe-out. I think the main thing to take from the next election will be the very low turnout. Labour don't seem to be picking up votes, but as in the recent by-elections, the Tory voters are just staying at home. Blackpool was a classic example. A 26% swing to Labour apparently, yet Labour actually got fewer votes than at the last GE! So 100% of all Labour voters turned out but Tory voters didn't. Unlikely I would say. No, read it again. The Labour vote was down against the numbers in the last GE.
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Post by oldie on May 7, 2024 9:59:38 GMT
So 100% of all Labour voters turned out but Tory voters didn't. Unlikely I would say. No, read it again. The Labour vote was down against the numbers in the last GE. Because Labour voters didn't turn out?
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Post by Nobbygas on May 7, 2024 10:06:18 GMT
No, read it again. The Labour vote was down against the numbers in the last GE. Because Labour voters didn't turn out? Oh dear, Yes, in by-elections the voting numbers are usually down against GE numbers. This is normal, however it appears as those who normally vote Tory are staying at home! The 26% swing to Labour was not due to an increase in the Labour vote, but a collapse in the Tory vote.
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Post by oldie on May 7, 2024 10:15:54 GMT
Because Labour voters didn't turn out? Oh dear, Yes, in by-elections the voting numbers are usually down against GE numbers. This is normal, however it appears as those who normally vote Tory are staying at home! The 26% swing to Labour was not due to an increase in the Labour vote, but a collapse in the Tory vote. Why are we even debating that, it's a material fact. Voters turned away from the Tories in droves. So not voting at all or voting for another party (Reform or others) creates a bigger gap between 1-2. Did all Labour voters turn out? I doubt it. Did Labour voters turn to other parties, well Oldham and the Midlands Mayor elections says they did. We cannot know which party suffered the most from a low turnout (easily) but the headline remains. The Tories are shot. The maths on "swing" are just headlines but a damaging ones.
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