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Post by francegas on Apr 27, 2016 12:27:09 GMT
Anyone remember 24.01.1981 Southampton away in an FA Cup 4th round tie. The Dell had various sections (pens if you like) for the away fans. for this game they crammed in far more than they were designed to hold. This was by far the worst crush I've ever experienced.
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Post by gasser on Apr 27, 2016 13:07:18 GMT
The old grounds were generally very unsafe. I remember going to Eastville with my dad for a cup game vs Arsenal in the sixties. Over 30,000 in the ground and being herded out at the end through the corrugated iron alleyway which started about 20 people wide but funnelled down to 10. as a young boy I was carried along my feet not touching the ground until my dad put me up on his shoulders.
More recently the Swansea police at the old Vetch directed us Gasheads along a backstreet where there were roadworks with concrete blocks and debris piled up. They were goading the Gasheads to have a go and were just itching for a fight. I had to speak to a mouthy copper to cool it and fortunately his mate pulled him away.
Generally the policing is much better now but I guess you get the odd adrenaline filled nutter in all walks of life.
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Post by mjg on Apr 27, 2016 13:48:46 GMT
I was a student in Liverpool 86 - 89 and used to go to Anfield quite often. Had tried to get tickets for the semi final but only really half heartedly. I remember watching the whole thing unfold on the TV in the house about a mile from Anfield, numbed. My girlfriend's mum rang her as things were infolding to check whether I was at the match. Early evening we went out to the main road round the corner and saw coaches coming back into Liverpool with the fans, there were lots of people just standing in the street. Went to a pub that evening and it was full of people in tears, collecting buckets even then doing the rounds, people telling what they'd seen. Walked to the Shankly Gates on the Monday evening and left a BRFC scarf there. A few scousers mumbled thanks. I remember coming home, I think it was the following weekend, to go to Twerton, miles to go for a nothing game as I recall, just wanted to be there. Went to the next Liverpool home game and stood on the Kop, impossible to describe, I can't even remember who they were playing. I was also on the Kop for the last match of the season, the famous game against Arsenal when the Arsenal players threw flowers into the Kop before the start. Yesterday was very emotional and I was neither there nor affected. I remember seeing unbought copies of the Sun outside newsagents. Today they could not bring themselves to put the news on their front page. Respect and gratitude to the families for their fight which is for all of us who have ever watched a match.
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Post by badbloodash on Apr 27, 2016 13:57:29 GMT
At last truth and justice for the 96 and their families. I hope that those responsible for their deaths are held accountable, especially those at the top of this mount of lies. Lets not forget that there are 96 reasons to NEVER buy the Sun newspaper and NEVER forget what government were in power covering the whole sorry story, with lie after lie!!! RIP those fellow football supporters God Bless those who fault this injustice for 27 years. Football fans have paid a high price for their love of the game it wouldn't have been tolerated by fans of other sports we were treated like animals and I suspect a few more cover ups have been hidden from us . The fans who lost their lives at Bradford ,ibrox hysel and hillsborough deserved better I also feel sorry especially for kenny dalgliesh who was present at three of those disasters I hope thatcher is paying for her sins in hell |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 27, 2016 14:46:39 GMT
At last truth and justice for the 96 and their families. I hope that those responsible for their deaths are held accountable, especially those at the top of this mount of lies. Lets not forget that there are 96 reasons to NEVER buy the Sun newspaper and NEVER forget what government were in power covering the whole sorry story, with lie after lie!!! RIP those fellow football supporters God Bless those who fault this injustice for 27 years. Football fans have paid a high price for their love of the game it wouldn't have been tolerated by fans of other sports we were treated like animals and I suspect a few more cover ups have been hidden from us . The fans who lost their lives at Bradford ,ibrox hysel and hillsborough deserved better I also feel sorry especially for kenny dalgliesh who was present at three of those disasters I hope thatcher is paying for her sins in hell Here here mate |
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Post by vaughan on Apr 27, 2016 17:21:53 GMT
I am so glad that others have mentioned the FA Cup game away to Southampton in 1981.
I remember the game so well and the fear. I was in an over-crowded pen and felt the crush to the point that I started to worry.
We were 3-0 down (Steve Williams ran us ragged) and we pulled one back. I was petrified that if I went down in the Rovers goal celebrations, I would never get back up. From that point, Rovers started to get on top, but I actually willed them NOT to score because of the intense fear of being crushed. It was probably the closest I came in my life to 'thinking about dying'. There was no control over how many went into each of the 3 pens at The Dell - so basic I know, but true.
When Hillsborough happened 8 years later, based on these experiences, I thought that it must have been dreadful (inappropriate word I know) to feel the crush and have the same fear / helplessness.
The disaster at Hillsborough was so avoidable with a delayed kick-off and some basic element of crowd control to avoid people rushing down the central pen.
I was working in Liverpool in 2012 when the original inquest verdict was over-turned. I cried on the news then and have shed more tears in last 24 hours hearing some of the stories again. I was amazed how many youngsters died in the 96 who perished - mainly because they would have been at the front for a good view of the game.
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Post by pirate49 on Apr 27, 2016 17:42:59 GMT
I was at Brentford with my dad who'd just turned 70. We tried to leave early but the police would not let us. After that day he never went to another match. Thank goodness times have changed and the threat of hooliganism, fences etc has gone. I was living in West London then and was at the Brentford game. Not knowing at the time what was going on at Hillsborough I nevertheless remember quite clearly how heavy handed the stewards and police were at our game. |
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Post by sheffieldgas on Apr 27, 2016 18:04:03 GMT
I remember it clearly, it was a typical away day with the radio and teletext. I was making a drink in the kitchen and my father came through to tell me there had been crowd problems and unconfirmed fatalities in the Liverpool - Forest match, it was surreal and it took me a while to process it. We sat in silence and watched and listened to updates. I remember teletext updating the reported deaths beneath where the latest score would be, horrible dreadful day, words fail me...
27 years for justice is too long and I agree with a previous poster's comments about Thatcher and hell. The Conservatives, the Sun and the police amongst many others should be deeply deeply ashamed of their actions and involvement in the tragedy! I have nothing but admiration for the families who have fought and fought for justice.
RIP 96
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Post by DudeLebowski on Apr 27, 2016 18:13:46 GMT
I recall a crush situation at the front of our very own Blackthorn End in 1997! Derby day against the City, I was only 11 and with my brother (8 at the time) at the front of the BE. Agastino ran through one on one with Collett and dinked it over him, sent the Sheeds delirious & for some unknown reason there were 3 of them in with us jumping about like nutters. Cue a mini riot! All I remember is a surge of blokes all come storming past at once falling over eachother trying to get at the scummers. Myself and all the other young uns at the front had nowhere to go, trying to protect my brother but just getting mashed by the baying mob! Fortunately some old dude grabbed the pair of us by the scruff of our necks and fished us out. My old man came hurtling down, never seen him look so s*** scared! Fair play to him though, he's an 82er through & through, but had enough sense about him to keep it schtum when they took the lead! Just gave me a wink when I looked around to him, as the ball went in.......foolkkkk  *I believe you can see the stewards and police getting stuck in behind the goal, on the YouTube video of this game. Always worth a look, even though we got beat* |
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Post by Rex on Apr 27, 2016 18:25:55 GMT
Anyone remember 24.01.1981 Southampton away in an FA Cup 4th round tie. The Dell had various sections (pens if you like) for the away fans. for this game they crammed in far more than they were designed to hold. This was by far the worst crush I've ever experienced. I mentioned it earlier in the thread, it was certainly the worst crush I have been in, and as I mentioned elsewhere, I watched large parts of the match where my feet literally were not touching the ground. I'm sure most of us moan at times about health and safety rules, but there are times I am glad they are in place. Even at the Leicester home cup game, where I think the crowd was only about 9000, I remember there being a crush on the north enclosure, nowhere near as bad as that game at The Dell, but certainly uncomfortable. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2016 18:40:51 GMT
Please. Never, ever, buy The Sun. Attachments:
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Post by Bridgeman on Apr 27, 2016 19:44:00 GMT
The old grounds were generally very unsafe. I remember going to Eastville with my dad for a cup game vs Arsenal in the sixties. Over 30,000 in the ground and being herded out at the end through the corrugated iron alleyway which started about 20 people wide but funnelled down to 10. as a young boy I was carried along my feet not touching the ground until my dad put me up on his shoulders. More recently the Swansea police at the old Vetch directed us Gasheads along a backstreet where there were roadworks with concrete blocks and debris piled up. They were goading the Gasheads to have a go and were just itching for a fight. I had to speak to a mouthy copper to cool it and fortunately his mate pulled him away.Generally the policing is much better now but I guess you get the odd adrenaline filled nutter in all walks of life. I have to say that was one time I had concern for my health, we were herded down this side street which had the middle of the road dug up and fencing around it with just a single persons space to get past either side. Because the Police were so intent on getting us away the only way to stop being crushed up was to start clambering into people's front gardens to get away. |
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Post by badbloodash on Apr 28, 2016 5:56:27 GMT
I remember it clearly, it was a typical away day with the radio and teletext. I was making a drink in the kitchen and my father came through to tell me there had been crowd problems and unconfirmed fatalities in the Liverpool - Forest match, it was surreal and it took me a while to process it. We sat in silence and watched and listened to updates. I remember teletext updating the reported deaths beneath where the latest score would be, horrible dreadful day, words fail me... 27 years for justice is too long and I agree with a previous poster's comments about Thatcher and hell. The Conservatives, the Sun and the police amongst many others should be deeply deeply ashamed of their actions and involvement in the tragedy! I have nothing but admiration for the families who have fought and fought for justice. RIP 96 And the most damming thing about all this is it wasn't the first time it had happened there .when Spurs played wolves there were problems in the leap pings end but wolves fans managed to get the gates opened and spilled onto the pitch game was held up for about 10 mins |
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Post by Teigngas on Apr 28, 2016 6:48:02 GMT
There is no justice. No one has or will be jailed and there are still people in government, such as Boris, who said awful things about Liverpudlians and yet they will be able to go about their lives unhindered. I would wager no one is jailed. 96 people died and were labelled as drunken scum. The truth may be out but there is no justice in this, not at all. Agree wholeheartedly with your sentiments, however I am unsure about blaming individual people about what they said about Liverpool fans because we do not know what lies they were fed. I was saying some not nice things about the fans at the time because of what we were told. The police, the press, yes they deserve all they get, we know they were to blame for the lies but we need further investigation to see how far up the pyramid this whole sorry saga of lies went and bring everybody responsible to justice. Agree with you though, it won`t happen. As an impressionable teenager one thing it taught me was to treat anything heard in the media with suspicion and to dig further to try to get the truth and they are still at it today as witnessed by the stupid stories about migrants. I have never bought any newspaper since those days - if I want to read stories I will buy the Beano. |
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Post by billyocean on Apr 28, 2016 6:52:58 GMT
If you have time, I found this interesting. Not a documentary, just a lot of rolling live news coverage from the day as the events unfolded. part 1part 2part 3 |
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Post by faggotygas on Apr 28, 2016 7:43:01 GMT
There is no justice. No one has or will be jailed and there are still people in government, such as Boris, who said awful things about Liverpudlians and yet they will be able to go about their lives unhindered. I would wager no one is jailed. 96 people died and were labelled as drunken scum. The truth may be out but there is no justice in this, not at all. Agree wholeheartedly with your sentiments, however I am unsure about blaming individual people about what they said about Liverpool fans because we do not know what lies they were fed. I was saying some not nice things about the fans at the time because of what we were told. The police, the press, yes they deserve all they get, we know they were to blame for the lies but we need further investigation to see how far up the pyramid this whole sorry saga of lies went and bring everybody responsible to justice. Agree with you though, it won`t happen. As an impressionable teenager one thing it taught me was to treat anything heard in the media with suspicion and to dig further to try to get the truth and they are still at it today as witnessed by the stupid stories about migrants. I have never bought any newspaper since those days - if I want to read stories I will buy the Beano. Johnson's nonsense was not the day after Hillsborough, it was in 2004:
"but that is no excuse for Liverpool's failure to acknowledge, even to this day, the part played in the disaster by drunken fans at the back of the crowd who mindlessly tried to fight their way into the ground that Saturday afternoon. The police became a convenient scapegoat, and the Sun newspaper a whipping-boy for daring, albeit in a tasteless fashion, to hint at the wider causes of the incident."
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2016 7:46:38 GMT
South Yorkshire Police should just fold...
Orgreave, Hillsborough & Rotherham.
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Post by DudeLebowski on Apr 28, 2016 8:08:02 GMT
If you have time, I found this interesting. Not a documentary, just a lot of rolling live news coverage from the day as the events unfolded. part 1part 2part 3The co commentator knew the situation straight away as soon as it started & could see what had to be done. They were in the grandstand (I assume near the half way line) yet Duckenfield himself & chums were looking down at what was going on from a matter of feet away and did nothing. Incredible. |
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Post by Teigngas on Apr 28, 2016 8:15:01 GMT
Agree wholeheartedly with your sentiments, however I am unsure about blaming individual people about what they said about Liverpool fans because we do not know what lies they were fed. I was saying some not nice things about the fans at the time because of what we were told. The police, the press, yes they deserve all they get, we know they were to blame for the lies but we need further investigation to see how far up the pyramid this whole sorry saga of lies went and bring everybody responsible to justice. Agree with you though, it won`t happen. As an impressionable teenager one thing it taught me was to treat anything heard in the media with suspicion and to dig further to try to get the truth and they are still at it today as witnessed by the stupid stories about migrants. I have never bought any newspaper since those days - if I want to read stories I will buy the Beano. Johnson's nonsense was not the day after Hillsborough, it was in 2004:
"but that is no excuse for Liverpool's failure to acknowledge, even to this day, the part played in the disaster by drunken fans at the back of the crowd who mindlessly tried to fight their way into the ground that Saturday afternoon. The police became a convenient scapegoat, and the Sun newspaper a whipping-boy for daring, albeit in a tasteless fashion, to hint at the wider causes of the incident."
Ah, didn`t know that Faggoty, thanks. Given the date he said it that`s unbelievably moronic. |
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Post by billyocean on Apr 28, 2016 8:21:46 GMT
If you have time, I found this interesting. Not a documentary, just a lot of rolling live news coverage from the day as the events unfolded. part 1part 2part 3The co commentator knew the situation straight away as soon as it started & could see what had to be done. They were in the grandstand (I assume near the half way line) yet Duckenfield himself & chums were looking down at what was going on from a matter of feet away and did nothing. Incredible. Agreed. Also surprised to hear so early on in the day first hand accounts that left no doubt that the gate was opened by the police, not forced, and that supporters were complaining that their tickets had not been checked. Not supporters without tickets forcing their way in as was claimed. |
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