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Post by oldie on Aug 16, 2023 8:33:50 GMT
Oh dear
"In a highly damning assessment of the government’s immigration strategy, a report by Durham University recently found that the deal Boris Johnson struck with the EU is the leading cause of the rise in the number of small boats crossing the English Channel."
"The Dublin Convention
The deal was made without a returns agreement in place. Under the Dublin Convention, an EU law which sets out which country is responsible for looking at an individual’s asylum application, the UK could ask other EU countries to take people back if they had entered the UK via safe countries. However, under the post-Brexit deal, no alternative to the Dublin Convention returns agreement was put in place.
“The government used to have a deal on returning migrants, but it ended with Brexit and no alternative was agreed. This made it far more difficult to return any new arrivals, and numbers have skyrocketed after this deal stopped,” says Professor Thom Brooks.
The study found that up until 2018, there were no recorded small boat crossings. Prior to this year, would-be refugees and immigrants more commonly hid aboard lorries, trains and ferries to enter the UK, and small boat crossing were rare. Levels of migration were also steady until the Brexit transition period ended in 2020, the report found.
Professor Brooks said he had forecast as far back as 2016 that migrant numbers to the UK would rise sharply without a returns agreement in place. According to the academic, the Conservative government had been warned repeatedly that a returns policy needed to be implemented."
Dead Parrots anyone??
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Post by eppinggas on Jan 23, 2024 11:14:04 GMT
Average Net UK immigration: www.migrationwatchuk.org/migration-statistics-over-time1992 to 98 (Con) = av 50k pa 1998 to '10 (Labour) = av 185k pa 2010 to '15 (Con/Lib) = av 255k pa 2015 to '20 (Con) = av 200k pa 2020 to '23 (Con) = av 630k pa 2023 figures were 672k. The entire population of Sheffield. Or two Readings (god forbid) if you prefer. Well done Conservatives. One of the main reasons for the Brexit vote was to bring down immigration numbers. The Conservatives pledged to bring down net immigration. They have failed spectacularly. Do those 630k per year bring a net benefit to the UK economy? Nope. The 'tipping point' has long since passed and the situation has become unsustainable. The three main political parties don't want to talk about it. Under Labour things can quite conceivably get worse. What is needed is reform. |
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Post by ltdgas on Jan 23, 2024 12:57:20 GMT
Average Net UK immigration: www.migrationwatchuk.org/migration-statistics-over-time1992 to 98 (Con) = av 50k pa 1998 to '10 (Labour) = av 185k pa 2010 to '15 (Con/Lib) = av 255k pa 2015 to '20 (Con) = av 200k pa 2020 to '23 (Con) = av 630k pa 2023 figures were 672k. The entire population of Sheffield. Or two Readings (god forbid) if you prefer. Well done Conservatives. One of the main reasons for the Brexit vote was to bring down immigration numbers. The Conservatives pledged to bring down net immigration. They have failed spectacularly. Do those 630k per year bring a net benefit to the UK economy? Nope. The 'tipping point' has long since passed and the situation has become unsustainable. The three main political parties don't want to talk about it. Under Labour things can quite conceivably get worse. What is needed is reform. The only people mass migration benefits are the liberal elite so no suprise the tories whilst making out there trying to stop it , allow it to continues to rise The party that baffles me are Labour , who are meant to be , claim they are the party of the working class people , yet they want f.o.m , mass migration which just suppresses working class workers wages ( brexit as you say ) , the people they claim they represent, I’m afraid you’ll have to get used to it , There was outrage at bravermans comment it’s an invasion , she was right , the figures speak for themselves . What’s the answer , starmer says he will bring it down to 10,s of thousands , I doubt it , but he surely can’t do any worse than the tories . , though he doesn’t seem to be on the same page as his mps who according to the one on tv want old people kicking out there 4/5 bed house , all asylum seekers given a house on arrival + a livable wage I’m voting reform , tice has said 1 in / 1 out , and boats will be taken back to France & dumped on Calais / Dunkirk beach Personally I think 1 in / 1 out is a reasonable policy , we are at the end of the day a small island |
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Post by Nobbygas on Jan 23, 2024 13:58:02 GMT
2023 figures are 623k. If it stays at that level and doesn't increase, then that's 6.2 million over the next ten years. That is basically a 10% population increase in ten years. No country can deal with that.
Just where is the infrastructure for these people? Where is the housing? The NHS will need a 10% funding increase just to stay as it is now! Are there enough places in the schools?
Labour's plan appears to be to stop the illegal immigrants by....erm....making it legal. That way they will have claimed to have stopped illegal immigration. High fives and back slaps all round. They will also stop the boats by allowing migrants to use the cross channel ferries for free. Once again high fives all round as they will claim to have smashed the people smuggling rings!
The inaction of the political classes is depressing.
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Post by eppinggas on Jan 24, 2024 10:30:28 GMT
2023 figures are 623k. If it stays at that level and doesn't increase, then that's 6.2 million over the next ten years. That is basically a 10% population increase in ten years. No country can deal with that. Just where is the infrastructure for these people? Where is the housing? The NHS will need a 10% funding increase just to stay as it is now! Are there enough places in the schools? Labour's plan appears to be to stop the illegal immigrants by....erm....making it legal. That way they will have claimed to have stopped illegal immigration. High fives and back slaps all round. They will also stop the boats by allowing migrants to use the cross channel ferries for free. Once again high fives all round as they will claim to have smashed the people smuggling rings! The inaction of the political classes is depressing. Small point of order, I see 672k for 2023 (YE 2023) from: www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/internationalmigration/bulletins/longterminternationalmigrationprovisional/yearendingjune2023But what's another 49k these days? Hey, it's only another Salisbury. Plenty of room here. |
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Post by oldie on Jan 24, 2024 10:42:27 GMT
All tosh of course.
The fact is that the UK chooses to include temporary student visas in our annual net migration figures. So:
At the end of 2022 academic year there were 679,970 registered overseas students studying in the UK.
Rounded 120,000 were from the EU
559,000 were non EU.
From data I could find
486,000 had sponsored visas
104,500 graduate route visas
In that year, 2022, 484,000 visas were issued to students.
In addition 134,000 were issued to dependents of the students.
The latter is laughable, go on laugh, because it was the Brexit loons in the Tory party that relaxed the rules on dependent migration when faced with what they had done to the education sector after they forced Brexit upon us. (Not you guys, obviously. You clearly enjoyed one of our most successful service sectors being emasculated)
Epping tells us there is no economic gain. Well Epping, not so.
Overseas students contribute £41.9 billion to our economy and cost us £4.4 billion to service.
That's a net gain of £37.5 billion.
One of the lines oft repeated is "skilled migration yes, unskilled no"
I paraphrase of course.
Of those overseas students thousands are medical students. Imagine the benefit to the UK if 10% stayed upon qualification. They self funded their training and then filled the holes in our health service.
But hey, let's shout prejudicial comments about immigration to fool voters into electing numb nuts.
Sadly Trumpism is not confined to America
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Post by Nobbygas on Jan 24, 2024 11:34:36 GMT
All tosh of course. The fact is that the UK chooses to include temporary student visas in our annual net migration figures. So: At the end of 2022 academic year there were 679,970 registered overseas students studying in the UK. Rounded 120,000 were from the EU 559,000 were non EU. From data I could find 486,000 had sponsored visas 104,500 graduate route visas In that year, 2022, 484,000 visas were issued to students. In addition 134,000 were issued to dependents of the students. The latter is laughable, go on laugh, because it was the Brexit loons in the Tory party that relaxed the rules on dependent migration when faced with what they had done to the education sector after they forced Brexit upon us. (Not you guys, obviously. You clearly enjoyed one of our most successful service sectors being emasculated) Epping tells us there is no economic gain. Well Epping, not so. Overseas students contribute £41.9 billion to our economy and cost us £4.4 billion to service. That's a net gain of £37.5 billion. One of the lines oft repeated is "skilled migration yes, unskilled no" I paraphrase of course. Of those overseas students thousands are medical students. Imagine the benefit to the UK if 10% stayed upon qualification. They self funded their training and then filled the holes in our health service. But hey, let's shout prejudicial comments about immigration to fool voters into electing numb nuts. Sadly Trumpism is not confined to America Immigration is a hot topic that is shaping elections throughout the Western world. If you unaware of that then it's time you took your blinkers off. It is a real issue that people are quite rightly worried about. Sticking your fingers in your ears and shouting "la, la, la" will only make the situation worse. "after they forced Brexit upon us." - Incorrect. The Tories did not force Brexit upon us. It was the democratic decision of the British public. The Tory government at the time were, and still are, heavily Remain biased. That is not my opinion, but fact, and as we know, you do love a good fact. Let's not try to re-write history. "Sadly Trumpism is not confined to America" - Oldie, why is it that anyone who has a different view to you are either Trump or Putin supporters? Why do you attempt to put these labels on people? |
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Post by oldie on Jan 24, 2024 13:52:03 GMT
All tosh of course. The fact is that the UK chooses to include temporary student visas in our annual net migration figures. So: At the end of 2022 academic year there were 679,970 registered overseas students studying in the UK. Rounded 120,000 were from the EU 559,000 were non EU. From data I could find 486,000 had sponsored visas 104,500 graduate route visas In that year, 2022, 484,000 visas were issued to students. In addition 134,000 were issued to dependents of the students. The latter is laughable, go on laugh, because it was the Brexit loons in the Tory party that relaxed the rules on dependent migration when faced with what they had done to the education sector after they forced Brexit upon us. (Not you guys, obviously. You clearly enjoyed one of our most successful service sectors being emasculated) Epping tells us there is no economic gain. Well Epping, not so. Overseas students contribute £41.9 billion to our economy and cost us £4.4 billion to service. That's a net gain of £37.5 billion. One of the lines oft repeated is "skilled migration yes, unskilled no" I paraphrase of course. Of those overseas students thousands are medical students. Imagine the benefit to the UK if 10% stayed upon qualification. They self funded their training and then filled the holes in our health service. But hey, let's shout prejudicial comments about immigration to fool voters into electing numb nuts. Sadly Trumpism is not confined to America Immigration is a hot topic that is shaping elections throughout the Western world. If you unaware of that then it's time you took your blinkers off. It is a real issue that people are quite rightly worried about. Sticking your fingers in your ears and shouting "la, la, la" will only make the situation worse. "after they forced Brexit upon us." - Incorrect. The Tories did not force Brexit upon us. It was the democratic decision of the British public. The Tory government at the time were, and still are, heavily Remain biased. That is not my opinion, but fact, and as we know, you do love a good fact. Let's not try to re-write history. "Sadly Trumpism is not confined to America" - Oldie, why is it that anyone who has a different view to you are either Trump or Putin supporters? Why do you attempt to put these labels on people? I agree that immigration, or more properly labeled, "population movements" is something we all need to be properly cognisant of and aware of the ramifications. But it doesn't help anyone to frame the discussion in a small minded, nationalist way, one which ignores the key drivers. Until those drivers are addressed, if indeed they can be, these issue will continue. No amount of mealy mouthed squawking by right wing politicians desperate for power is going to that. As will those who, without thought, repeat their words on social media. |
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Post by ltdgas on Jan 24, 2024 17:16:24 GMT
Immigration is a hot topic that is shaping elections throughout the Western world. If you unaware of that then it's time you took your blinkers off. It is a real issue that people are quite rightly worried about. Sticking your fingers in your ears and shouting "la, la, la" will only make the situation worse. "after they forced Brexit upon us." - Incorrect. The Tories did not force Brexit upon us. It was the democratic decision of the British public. The Tory government at the time were, and still are, heavily Remain biased. That is not my opinion, but fact, and as we know, you do love a good fact. Let's not try to re-write history. "Sadly Trumpism is not confined to America" - Oldie, why is it that anyone who has a different view to you are either Trump or Putin supporters? Why do you attempt to put these labels on people? I agree that immigration, or more properly labeled, "population movements" is something we all need to be properly cognisant of and aware of the ramifications. But it doesn't help anyone to frame the discussion in a small minded, nationalist way, one which ignores the key drivers. Until those drivers are addressed, if indeed they can be, these issue will continue. No amount of mealy mouthed squawking by right wing politicians desperate for power is going to that. As will those who, without thought, repeat their words on social media. Starmer is saying he will reduce immigration to 10,s of thousands , he said immigration is to high , right wing 🙄?? |
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Post by ltdgas on Jan 24, 2024 17:57:13 GMT
12 th dec 2023 Milton Keynes
Keir starmer , if you want fewer immigrants vote Labour
Keir starmer has said that voters who want lower migration should vote Labour as he continues his aggressive pursuit of conservative voters 😂😂, but , but it’s the right who don’t want migration according to oldie , yet we’ve the leader of the left wing labour Party saying he will bring down immigration numbers down to lower than the right wing tories , and he’s trying to attract right wing conservatives with his promises on immigration
Seems even the lefty leader thinks oldie is the only one who thinks immigration is good for the country 😂😂
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Post by oldie on Jan 24, 2024 19:03:41 GMT
12 th dec 2023 Milton Keynes Keir starmer , if you want fewer immigrants vote Labour Keir starmer has said that voters who want lower migration should vote Labour as he continues his aggressive pursuit of conservative voters 😂😂, but , but it’s the right who don’t want migration according to oldie , yet we’ve the leader of the left wing labour Party saying he will bring down immigration numbers down to lower than the right wing tories , and he’s trying to attract right wing conservatives with his promises on immigration Seems even the lefty leader thinks oldie is the only one who thinks immigration is good for the country 😂😂 Link to his speech? |
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Post by ltdgas on Jan 25, 2024 5:52:33 GMT
12 th dec 2023 Milton Keynes Keir starmer , if you want fewer immigrants vote Labour Keir starmer has said that voters who want lower migration should vote Labour as he continues his aggressive pursuit of conservative voters 😂😂, but , but it’s the right who don’t want migration according to oldie , yet we’ve the leader of the left wing labour Party saying he will bring down immigration numbers down to lower than the right wing tories , and he’s trying to attract right wing conservatives with his promises on immigration Seems even the lefty leader thinks oldie is the only one who thinks immigration is good for the country 😂😂 Link to his speech? Just stick in keir starmer immigration , a stupid person according to you found it straight away , so I’m sure an intelligent person could also find it if they Really wanted to !! |
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Post by oldie on Jan 25, 2024 7:19:07 GMT
Just stick in keir starmer immigration , a stupid person according to you found it straight away , so I’m sure an intelligent person could also find it if they Really wanted to !! No Link it to back up your point Go on, or admit you cannot |
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Post by ltdgas on Jan 25, 2024 11:29:24 GMT
Just stick in keir starmer immigration , a stupid person according to you found it straight away , so I’m sure an intelligent person could also find it if they Really wanted to !! No Link it to back up your point Go on, or admit you cannot You’ve already looked , you know full well what it say !! Keir starmer immigration |
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Post by oldie on Jan 25, 2024 11:47:27 GMT
No Link it to back up your point Go on, or admit you cannot You’ve already looked , you know full well what it say !! Keir starmer immigration I have not actually. I am interested in your source. |
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Post by oldie on Jan 25, 2024 11:57:41 GMT
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Post by ltdgas on Jan 27, 2024 18:20:10 GMT
you can read it , I mean you’re the one claiming you’re the intelligent one but you’re not capable of putting , keir starmer immigration in you phone , you already have though haven’t you , you bury your head in the sand , your mates arnt though are they , screaming this is not labour policies , he doesn’t speak for us . Hilarious though , as your lefty fruitcake O’Brien said these policies are tory policies , the Labour Party are becoming more like the tories every day 😂😂, the smarmy **** sounded suicidal 😂😂 |
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Post by oldie on Jan 27, 2024 21:02:29 GMT
you can read it , I mean you’re the one claiming you’re the intelligent one but you’re not capable of putting , keir starmer immigration in you phone , you already have though haven’t you , you bury your head in the sand , your mates arnt though are they , screaming this is not labour policies , he doesn’t speak for us . Hilarious though , as your lefty fruitcake O’Brien said these policies are tory policies , the Labour Party are becoming more like the tories every day 😂😂, the smarmy **** sounded suicidal 😂😂 Well done. Now in English please |
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Post by ltdgas on Jan 28, 2024 5:46:20 GMT
you can read it , I mean you’re the one claiming you’re the intelligent one but you’re not capable of putting , keir starmer immigration in you phone , you already have though haven’t you , you bury your head in the sand , your mates arnt though are they , screaming this is not labour policies , he doesn’t speak for us . Hilarious though , as your lefty fruitcake O’Brien said these policies are tory policies , the Labour Party are becoming more like the tories every day 😂😂, the smarmy **** sounded suicidal 😂😂 Well done. Now in English please Your fruitcake lefty mates , smarmy O’Brien think your talking bollox , English enough for you 🙄 |
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Post by Nobbygas on Jan 28, 2024 22:48:36 GMT
Here is a true story for you.
I know a guy, not a close friend. He is Canadian. He works as a night porter in a large hotel in Cornwall. He has lived in Cornwall for the last ten years. He works, pays tax, is a member of the local golf club. Last week he went to Portugal for a weeks holiday. Upon returning to Newquay airport he was detained and then flown to Gatwick where he was held for another 24 hours. There was a problem with his visa. He is being deported this coming Thursday, just six days from landing at Newquay. He has never been put up in a four star hotel. Never been given spending money by the taxpayer. He's worked, paid taxes (ok, not in a high paying job), he's assimilated into the local community,but he's being deported in less than six days. Is this right?
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